[0:00] Hello, friends. Welcome to another episode of Tell Us a Good Story. Do you face obstacles and challenges every day of your life? If so, you’re going to be very encouraged and feel inspired after you hear this next story. Friends, meet the first and only person with Down syndrome to ever complete an Ironman triathlon, Chris Nickich and his father, Nick Nickich. You guys, this is such an inspiring story about an amazing father and his son. After Chris graduated high school, his father, Nick set out on a journey for them to become more active and find a way for him to spend more time with his son. And that’s when they got involved with their local Special Olympics organization. And from there, Chris started doing things nobody thought possible for someone with Down Syndrome. And we will tell you up front here, most of this conversation is with his father, Nick. However, Chris does speak a lot during this episode and has some really funny moments. Including the hilarious questions he asked Steph towards the end of this conversation. It was very wholesome and very innocent. You guys, we can’t wait for to hear this conversation with this amazing father and son, Nick and Chris Nickich.

[1:03] I’m Kevin. And I’m Steph. And during our marriage, we’ve dealt with an electrocution, a brain tumor, brain surgery. Then doctors telling us the children were not in our future, followed by miscarriage, and then Kevin’s cancer diagnosis. However, today we live a life completely healed, completely restored, with three healthy children who doctors said were not possible. And we’re here to tell stories that inspire, give hope, and brighten your day. Welcome to Tell Us a Good Story.

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[2:03] Steph, are you ready to hear an amazing story? Okay, so full disclosure, when you were doing research, I did my own research, which you should be very proud of me. Okay. And I’ve already cried today while doing the research. So let’s be prepared. This is going to be a tearjerker. Well, friends, our next guests are a father and son from Orlando, Florida. The Sun made history a few years ago as the first person with Down syndrome to complete an Ironman triathlon. And together they wrote the book, 1% Better, Reaching My Full Potential and How You Can Too. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Tell Us Good Story, Chris and Nick Nickich. Woohoo! Hey, guys. Hi. Hi. Thank you so much for saying yes to us. We are thrilled to talk to you both. Absolutely. Okay, so Chris, I have to ask you, what is it like to do something nobody in the history of the world has ever done before by doing your Ironman race? So when I first started, I swam in the Northland Lake. And so we came home the day, both my mom and my sister was in the room.

[3:14] And my mom said, are you crazy?

[3:25] Are you out of your mind, all right so look so so you gave him the setup and how it happened but the question he asked you was how does it feel to be the only person in the world to to do something like an iron man uh with down syndrome how do you feel, And go ahead, look up at them instead of looking down. Look, they’re both handsome and pretty.

[3:54] Pretty cool. Pretty cool, okay. Yes. Has to feel pretty cool. Yes. How many years have you been married? Oh, he better get this right, Chris, because we just celebrated a big one. We just celebrated on October 23rd, 20 years of marriage. And I know you just had a birthday. October, I believe it was 9th, right? 6th. 6th. Okay, I had it upside down. All right. October 6th, you turned 25 years old, right? Yeah. Well, happy birthday. Happy belated, Chris. And if you two run card down for Christmas, and if you two run card down, come down for Christmas. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Down in Florida? No, because I don’t want to train with you, Chris. Where are you from? Go ahead. We’re from Ohio. Oh. We’re in Columbus, Ohio, Chris. How about this? How about my dad and I come up, pick you guys up, and then drive back to the airport, and we’re all fly down. I love that idea, Chris. For Christmas, I’m getting married. For Christmas, do you want a wife? Yeah. I love that. See, I better pull through. Chris, be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you wish for, buddy. I wish for a wife.

[5:18] I love it. Well, Nick, let me ask you this. I know your son has gone through challenge after challenge, obstacles. Can you share just the experience of when he was born, right? How he was born with, I believe, two holes in his heart and just the challenge starting from there that Chris has had to overcome.

[5:38] So, you know, the biggest challenge is just the way things are communicated initially to parents like us. Okay. Everything is, he’ll never do this. He’ll never do that. He’ll never do anything and he’ll never be independent. He’ll never, right? So you start to believe that after a while. Then you start dealing with the challenges, the real world challenges of he can’t eat. Like he couldn’t eat till he was five. Plain foods. He’d eat baby foods out of a jar, right? And he couldn’t have any texture in them. And then he couldn’t walk and he couldn’t, you know, he’d get sick all the time and he had the heart problem. So you need a surgery. And that just continued to compound over and over throughout his life. Schools rejected him. He went to seven different schools in five years.

[6:22] And so we were always dealing with real world challenges and, And then the obstacles created by the people themselves, the communities, the teachers, the doctors, the coaches, right? The parents not inviting them to their kids’ parties. And, you know, so the challenges really became almost insurmountable because you’re fighting real stuff and community-created stuff. And it was difficult for my wife difficult for me you know mostly her because she was the one dealing and taking the brunt of all this throughout uh his life and and it was uh just a hard challenge so we feel for parents like us yeah and kids like chris uh because they’re fighting so many natural obstacles but also man-created obstacles and the burden of trying to overcome all of those at the same time is too great to bear for most people.

[7:18] So you get to, I guess, age 18, Nick, and I think you have the idea of,

[7:24] I want to do something with my son. And so you started, I believe you got him involved with Special Olympics. Is that right? Yep. Can you talk as like how that worked out? Because when I look at Ironman, I’ve got the stats here, I had to write them down. An Ironman race is a 2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bike ride, and a 26.2-mile marathon. It’s in Panama City. Can you talk about how Chris was when he first started those three things? Because it wasn’t like he was naturally gifted to do those type of events. No, good question.

[7:58] He started at 18 because, honestly, he had just come off of four major ear surgeries that had made him sedentary for about almost two years before that pretty active so he was doing things and he was to the degree that you know was was typical for someone like chris right so he was active and then he went to become totally inactive for two years and he gained a lot of weight and he became sedentary was spending time alone was about to graduate from high school so he was becoming more isolated and more alone okay so the whole thing building right where there’s no future there’s no direction there’s no college there’s no job there’s no friends or all his typical peers are going on to college and so i looked at that and said this can’t be the end of his journey right this you know we can’t have gone through the first 18 years and that was the best that he’s ever going to experience and so i looked at him one day and said buddy we’re just going to get out of the house together and you know i was spending too much time working he was spending too much time home alone and i said we’re going to go out and start exercising together right remember that And then we said, let’s go swim. Let’s go walk. And then Special Olympics started a triathlon program to see if young men and women like Chris could do a triathlon, what they call a sprint, which is a 14-mile version of 140-mile Ironman, right? One-tenth the distance. And we thought that was going to be impossible.

[9:17] So we went on that journey slowly not to do anything substantial but to get him involved, engage in the community and to get him in shape and get him out of the house and that’s how the journey started and for the first 18 months of that journey from 18 to 19 chris slowly progressed to the point where he was eventually able to finish the sprint triathlon for special olympics along with 10 of his peers. Wow. Chris finished last. All the rest of them could do it in two or three months. It took Chris 18 months to be able to finish it. And then a year later, Chris completed an Ironman and he became the first and only Special Olympics athlete in the world to do that.

[10:01] Friends, we have been asked to speak at a few events recently in regards to sharing some of our story. And it has been an absolute honor. We have a lot of personal stories to share that will hopefully inspire, encourage, and maybe even make you laugh. So if you’re hosting some type of event or need a guest speaker, we’re here to help. That’s right. Just go to KevinAndSteph.com and click on the contact button. Like Steph said, let us know if we can be of help in any way, whether it’s our personal testimony of healing and hope or me just telling some jokes. Oh, God, please, you guys, please don’t ask him to do that. But seriously, just go to KevinAndSteph.com to contact us. And as always, thank you for listening to Tell Us a Good Story. Okay i have so many questions with what you just said how on earth did you think i’m gonna have my son do a triathlon right then evolve it to he gets last and you’re like okay let’s do an iron man like how did that progress that quickly well it was him so he was called one percent better Yes, I love that shirt, Chris. And we had 18 months that we had proven that he could get better every day, 1% of the time.

[11:12] And then we said, look, let’s put it to a spreadsheet. And if he keeps getting 1% better, how long will it take for him to go from 14 miles to 140? And the plan was about 10 months.

[11:24] And because the hardest part of this journey was the first 18 months. The next 10 months was actually easy because he had now the foundation. He had already learned everything he needed to learn. And he had everything in place. So everybody thought we were crazy to go from 14 to 140. But, and I put it on a spreadsheet and I showed them how the 1% works. And of course they reconfirmed that they thought I was crazy because they said reality are two different things. And so we went on this journey together that said, look, buddy, go, go try to do something that’s never been done. And then you can get all your dreams. And that’s how the whole journey started.

[12:00] Nick is speaking my language, Steph, when he talks about the spreadsheet. I know, I feel like I’m with talking to my husband right now, Nick. Oh my gosh. I’m like, ah, spreadsheets. Here we go. Go ahead. Okay. Nick, have you ever done a triathlon? No. Yes. So when we first started, I started doing it with him and I was able to do it before the first one. Right. So I was leading him and guiding him and helping him. Okay. But I hadn’t done it before that. Right. So we had just tried doing it together and I had played sports and other things before, but I’m getting up in age. And so I wasn’t in the best of shape, but I thought it was good for me to do this together. Right. And so I started doing it and the week before we’re supposed to do our first one together, I got off a bike and collapsed in the driveway and my back. Oh no. The ambulance, you know, took me and basically I was out of the picture and we got another guy.

[12:54] That’s how my story ended with, with, you know, I just, at my age, I didn’t know how to stay healthy enough to keep up.

[13:02] And maybe he just pushed me too hard. I don’t know. Did you push me too hard? 63. Yeah. Old man. Old man. Stop it.

[13:10] That neck. That neck. He could not keep up with me. I could. That’s all. Chris, a lot of people cannot keep up with you, buddy. That is for sure. I love my kids. So, Nick, can you talk about where Chris started from? Because I believe kids with Down syndrome, for example, it’s tough to learn how to ride a bike. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So Chris started this journey. He could do more before his surgeries, right? So it’s not like he had never been able to do any of these things. He was doing things before his surgeries. But then after the surgeries, he was literally, he gained weight, he became sedentary. He couldn’t run 100 yards. He could not swim a lap in a pool. And he could barely, barely by that point, ride a bike around a block without tipping over. He had learned how to ride before that, and it had taken him six months to learn how to ride, but then becoming sedentary, and he started going. So think about it. He started with maybe a 100-yard run, a one-lap in the pool, kind of the crawl, not regular, and barely being able to balance on a bike without falling. And that was in the beginning of 2018. And then we just went on this 1% journey, which said, that’s okay. One lap leads to 2, 100 yards leads to 110. 10.

[14:31] One lap around the block on the bike leads to two and one push-up, right? Then we added one more and one more. And literally two and a half years later, he’s doing 140 mile Ironman, 200 pull-ups and push-ups and sit-ups and everything. And he just transformed into a very capable, very healthy young man who showed the world what people with Down syndrome are truly capable of if you give them a chance and put them on a good program.

[15:00] Now, Chris, I watched a little video clip of you when you did your first Iron Man. You crushed it in the swim, in the water. You absolutely crushed it. However, can you tell Steph here the story of what happened when you started running? No, I’m sorry. When you got on the bike and a couple things happened on your bike ride. Can you tell Steph that story, bud? Oh, yeah. So at my 40, there was a huge pile of red freaking air.

[15:35] And then he was standing in it for a minute until everybody realized they were all over his body oh no, from my acorn up the whole time, oh no so you and they had to strip you and clean you and wash you oh no from the ants And then on my 50. And he was swollen for like three weeks afterwards. Oh my goodness. And then on my 50, I crashed the bike. So you crashed the bike? So I crashed the bike. Then you told me be a winner, not a quitter. Nope, winner, not a quitter. And you know what you said to me? What’s that? You said . I’m talking about a bike.

[16:30] And then. I got back on the bike. And then, of course, I got a wrong mask on. So basically, at my 10, he came out. And then he said, son, you tell me what you want. And I said, I want to go to your freaking dark club. I want to go to your freaking dark club. and dance to the high smoking women all right, and you know what he said what keep running okay finish the race and then I finished it and then five times I finished.

[17:15] With a bunch of women nursing me back to health nursing you back to health yeah oh yes and then when we got back to the house i took sorrow and we had our kid dinner after party okay, one of the women starts passing me up okay and then they nursed you back to health and then And they lost me back to health.

[17:41] And my dad said, are you still up for going to nightclub? And then what happened, Chris? And I said, he’s going to have a long night of dancing, rigorous tucing. I think they’re going to cut this part off. No, no, no.

[18:01] God damn it. They’re going to cut this part off. No, they’re wrong. This is happening. Please keep it. Okay, so I’ve got a question. So, Nick, as Chris is going through this, I would love your thoughts on what’s the balancing act, Nick, of knowing, like, when to push Chris, right? Because he’s going through the Ironman. There was a point in the race on the video clip I saw, and I bust out laughing because it was either you or his trainer said, hey, you know, what’s wrong? He said blisters. And they said, that’s fake pain. And Chris is like, no, that is real pain. That is real pain. And that is not fake, right?

[18:40] So how do you know when to push your child and when to back off at times? Yes, it’s a good question. And that was a lesson we learned during training, not during the Ironman. Okay. So the first thing is the principle of 1% better is we never push him more than just a little bit beyond where he was before, right? Okay. We don’t move the boundary very much. So we know if he could run 10 miles, he could run 10.1. Right. You know, he can ride a bike, you know, 70 miles. He could ride at 71.

[19:14] And if he can ride 71 he could ride 72 and so it was all a gradual build and part of the one percent philosophy was that we were never going to push him to the point of injury or push him beyond what we knew he was capable of comfortably based on previous experiences not based on theory and all that but based on uh facts and previous experiences and his entire journey was like that from one push-up to two right people say how do you get your son to do 200 push-ups I don’t I get him to go from one to two right then three to four by the time he gets to 200 he had already done 199 so that’s kind of how we did it and then we would track his, vitals like his heart rate and we know that if you’re running or working out at 120, beats per minute you’re in a very comfortable level two zone which is easy to do but if you push him, if his heart rate is 160, 170, you know, you got a problem. So we would always track his heart rate to make sure that he was always in a comfortable zone. And then the third point of all this is that.

[20:21] Physically, he was always ready because we had already built him that way. And we know that the body can go much further than what the mind goes. Usually when people quit and when they complain, it’s because mentally they’re tired. And so the entire 1% Better system was designed to build his mindset and build mental toughness and grit so that he could succeed and not quit prematurely when we knew there was much more in the tank from a physical perspective.

[20:53] So you were injured. You couldn’t be with Chris during the trainings, during the Ironman. So watching these videos, you see you have a guide. Can you explain to listeners what the guide’s purpose is with training? Sure. So the guy’s purpose is during the race is to just be a friend, right? Because, you know, if he’s out there on his own, like everybody else, he doesn’t think the same way. Right. So really to be that guide, to take him through the journey and to answer his questions because he can’t think through everything. Yeah. And to answer his questions and to let him know who he’s at and kind of what’s coming up and what’s next. It’s also to keep him safe just in case, like on a bike or in a swim, to make sure that he’s okay, that he’s safe. And it’s also to make sure that he’s taking proper nutrition because a big part of finishing an Ironman is nutrition. If you miss out on your nutrition, you never catch up. So it’s making sure that at the proper point in time that the nutrition is there, it’s available, and he’s taking it. And really, those are the three main things is to get him through the race and to really be his mind, if you will, on the things that he might not be able to understand or decide on in the heat of the moment, if you will. So, Chris, when you’re doing the Ironman, they give you 17 hours to accomplish this, right? Do you remember what your time was?

[22:18] 16 hours. And? 46. 46 minutes and 9 seconds. Yeah wow so just under under 15 minutes left and that was with the bike accident yes with the fire ants so your time would have been even more incredible than what it already was yeah he could have done an under 16 yeah okay and that is all because of oh yes you definitely have some muscles Chris, yeah you do, put him down yeah you do hey chris who do you think was more nervous the morning of your iron man you or your dad me were you i mean him yeah i bet.

[23:06] Steph what is one of the most asked questions we get about tell us a good story uh do i really get that excited besides that one oh how do we get all these incredible guests correct and some of our best conversations have been with guests who our listeners have reached out to us and said you should talk to this person. To name just a few, Nick Vujicic, Coach Tom Ryan, Carol Moutica were all recommendations from our listeners. So if there’s someone you would like us to interview and think they might be a great fit for Tell Us a Good Story, please let us know at kevinandsteph.com. You don’t even have to personally know them. True, but do me a favor. Before you submit their names, please make sure they are still alive. That has actually happened and it is super hard for me to find their contact information. But regardless, thank you for listening to Tell Us a Good Story.

[23:54] All right. For all of our guests, I like to give a list of fun facts to let listeners know what you’ve done, what you’ve accomplished. Okay. And Steph, my wife here is not aware of any of these. Okay. So these are going to be new to her. This should lead to some fun stories from you and your dad. Okay. And if I’m wrong on any of these, please let me know. Okay. All right. Fun fact Number one, along with becoming the first and only person in the world with Down syndrome to complete an Ironman, Chris is a Guinness Book World Record holder. He’s a Florida Sports Hall of Fame inductee and not just one, but a two-time ESPY award winner.

[24:32] He won the Jimmy V Award for Perseverance in Male Athlete with a Disability. Chris, first off, where do you keep your ESPY awards? They’re in the house. Where is it? Upstairs. It’s upstairs, like in your bedroom? Yeah. Chris, you got to move that to like the fireplace or right when people enter the house. You got to have lights on it or something. That’s what I would do. I was in the other bedroom. Uh-huh. I transferred all my stuff upstairs. Okay. Okay. So, Chris, do you have any good memories from the ESPY Awards? What’s it like to go there and be with Tim Tebow and all these stars that you’ve seen on TV before? Crazy people, crazy fans.

[25:20] Someone knew me, the one from Colorado, who’s a skier.

[25:27] Michaela Schiffen, you like her. Okay. And she’s the one-looking skier. The other one from North Carolina TV show, Ty Diggs. Ty Diggs from the All-American. Okay. Okay, Chris, I got another fun fact for you here. All right, Steph. Chris here has run all six major marathons in one year. Boston, New York city, Tokyo, Berlin, Chicago, and London all in one year. Okay. You ready for this? Yeah. In the last four years, Chris has done three Ironmans, six half Ironmans in 18 marathons. And this is by someone who people did not expect to do any racing at all. So can you talk about Chris? What are your workouts like? And Nick, I’d like to get your perspective too. What are your workouts like to train for all of these type of events that you compete in? So, all my workouts that I do is 3-6 hours, and then 4-8 hours. So, tell them what you did today. Be specific. I have this thing that’s called 1% challenge.

[26:36] You run half a mile, and then you do pull-ups, dips and crunches. And then get on floor and do push-ups, squats, with dumbbells. And how many times? And you know how many times I’ve been doing that? How many times? Ten. Ten sets. Ten sets? Wow. Yeah. How long did that workout take you? From morning to afternoon. So you went from 7.30 till 11.30. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Four hours. Three hour core strength and endurance workout.

[27:15] Wow. 7-30 to 11-30. My trainer. He’s struggling. He’s struggling. He couldn’t keep up with you? He could not keep up with me at all. He’s struggling and tired. And you know what he does sometimes? What? He walks away. But at least he’s trying to keep up with you. Chris, that is impressive. That’s so impressive. That is very impressive. All right, Steph. Next fun fact. It’s last Sunday. He did a half Ironman. Last Sunday. I think i read he does he works out 13 out of 14 days uh-huh anywhere like he said from three to eight hours a day that’s incredible yes that’s what they that’s what they’ve worked up to yeah you know he has to overcome so many challenges to finish an iron man or a marathon that his training regimen has to be much longer much more rigorous and much more typical person all right stuff together nick and chris are authors of two books Thanks. 1% Better, the Chris Nickage story, and 1% Better, Reaching My Full Potential,

[28:18] and How You Can Too, which he’s talked about. So, Nick, can you tell us a little bit more about how that came about where you wanted to document this story of what you’ve done with your son here? This was my idea of the hero. Oh, it was? Okay. Yeah. You get out of here.

[28:36] Yeah, the whole concept really was, you know, I had built this 1% principle concept as my consulting firm in the business world. Okay. I’ve already tested it on many, many adults, more from a cognitive perspective. And I realized that the 1% system is more mental than it is physical. You know, the physical is how you manifest and how you train the brain to get stronger and mentally tough. And so we just built this system where our whole focus was to build his brain and his mindset to the point where he could sustain anything and not allow the fake pain to make him quit. So he can persevere through it. And it’s kind of why he’s won the Perseverance Jimmy Vee Award, because mentally he’s learned to tackle the feeling that comes over you when you get too tired or you experience a little bit of pain and you want to quit. He’s learned to overcome that through the 1% Better system. And so we thought the book was a good way to share that story with others who might want to understand how they can apply the same principle in their life, whether it’s for themselves or a child with a disability of some sort, or typically anyone who wants to achieve things that are beyond what they typically believe is possible.

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[30:45] I want you to find a hot blonde in Columbus, Ohio. Bring her down to me. Bring her down to Florida? All right. I’m sure there’s plenty of hot blondes down there in Orlando, Florida. I want that. I want Ohio. Okay. So I can attest though, Chris, dreams do come true. But can you share what is your goal here in 2025? Because I know you have some big, huge goals. What’s your next goal?

[31:14] Ultraman. An Ultraman. Can you explain what is an Ultraman? Because I had to look this up earlier because I didn’t know what it was, and it blew my mind. It’s 320 miles. I’ll go with you today again. It’s 320 miles. It sounds made up, Steph. It does. The first day, you do a swim and a bike. The next day, you do a bike. And then the next day, two double X X methods. Okay, so it’s a three-day race, right? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So my question to you, Miss Kevin, you want to come out and train with me? You want Stephanie to come train with you? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I think, we still think, we think the Ultraman is a 10K swim. Okay. Followed by a 90-mile bike ride, followed by a 170-mile bike ride, followed by two marathons. Oh, my goodness. Nick, what’s the times on those, typically? 12 hours. 12 hours, Dave. You got to do each one in under 12 hours, each segment. Each segment under 12 hours. Three days in a row. Okay. When you guys get these ideas, how do you break it to your guide? Right. Like, guess what’s next? Now we’re training for this. I have no idea. He has had about 12 different guides over the last four or five years. Oh, really?

[32:42] We’re always including and involving other people into the journey. A big part of the mission is, one, for him to be independent and be able to do these things, regardless of who’s next to him, to show the other parents and kids that their kids are capable. They’re not dependent on any one person. And there’s plenty of people, wonderful people out there who are willing to be a friend or a guide. So that’s the one point. And so he’s done that over the last four or five years. He’s had many guides. And as a part of the process, he’s made many amazing friends. And the other component of this is awareness, right? We don’t want this to be about Chris. We wanted to raise awareness and reach as many people as possible to show them what they and their kids can do. And one of the best ways to do that is by extending the circle way beyond one or two people.

[33:34] And through their social networks and through their networks, they can reach a wider audience and share the story with more people. Miss Stephanie, I got a question for you. Okay. Your four, five facts. The first fact is, I want your answer tonight by 7 o’clock.

[33:59] Facts number two is, please send me a DM message on social media and say to me, if you want to guide me. You want her to guide you? Yeah. In what? The Ultraman? Yeah. Number three if you want to get more serious then you have to do what’s called a navy seal training and that’s number four fact is instead of my dad traveling with me to new york i rather have Stephanie whoa whoa whoa Chris now calm down big guy Chris calm down, And then we’re going to swim in the Hudson River. Swimming the Hudson River. Wow. And we’re going to do push-ups. Wow. We have this cross. Yeah. And we’re going to do pull-ups. Yes. And then we’re going to run. And then we’re going to repeat that 10 times. Yeah. And you are strong. So you want her to do the 1% Navy SEAL challenge? Yeah. Okay. That is quite the offer, Steph. Chris, you had me until pull-up. I keep a good pull-up. You had me until then. Miss Steph here is a fun person to travel with. I will give her that. I’m so fun.

[35:25] Well, I think I’m busy, Chris. Yes, you will. She’s fun to travel with him. Yes, she’s fun to travel with me. She can only travel with me. I’m sorry, Chris. But next time we’re down in Orlando, we will come meet you. We will come find you because we want to meet you in person, buddy. Bring me the lady. Oh, and bring the lady. Okay. All right. We’ll start asking around here, Chris. I’ll start asking around. Say phone calls. Okay. I’ll make some phone calls here. All right.

[35:54] Well, friends, for more information about Chris, you can go to his website. It’s chrisnickich.com. Facebook is chris.nickich. His Instagram is at chrisnickich. And we will put links in the show notes and on our website that you can click on those and go right to those webpages. And to get his book, 1% Better, Reaching My Full Potential and How You Can Too. We will put links in that so you can go right to those pages. Well, Chris and Nick, you both are fantastic. You know, Steph talked about crying, watching the videos. Nick, I started tearing up thinking about you, sir, and the amazing father that you are. And the effort that you’ve made to spend time with your son and go along this journey with him. I can only imagine how proud you are as a dad. But well done to both of you. Chris with Getting 1% Better Every Day and Nick for being an amazing dad. Thank you so much for spending time with Stephan on here. Oh, our pleasure. Thank you for inviting us. Friends, we want to encourage you to please follow us wherever you listen to this, whether it’s on the Apple Podcast app, iHeartRadio, Spotify, or one of the other platforms. You guys, it’s completely free. And while you’re there, feel free to give us a rating or a nice review. Thank you for listening to Tell Us a Good Story.